democracy - twisted logic?

Well, everyone intelligent or otherwise has his or her own values and we must respect one another. In a pluralist world, I think you will agree that we can't have everyone with the same value. Some people are driven by idealism, some pragmatism. I am somewhat in between. I think even an idealist needs to observe and re-calibrate his or her thinking having regard to the observable reality. In short, I believe that one needs to have a strategy to achieve what you want to achieve; and it's sad that many idealists may not achieve what they want to achieve. In the end, usually pragmatists do. Indeed I am most wary of the story (history) about Athenians vs Spartans; and it's the latter who prevailed in the end. ... ... ...

as i see it, at the end of the day, it all depends on what you want to achieve. and the question arises, does the means matter? is this a moral question? and if so, why shouldn't we have democracy in the work place? oh, is it because liberal democracy is simply democracy on the surface, while deep down all the capitalists / bosses indeed rule the country?!

democracy doesn't guarantee that you will have a good leader. usually its choosing the lesser evil supposedly, and mostly it has been choosing the worse evil. the beauty of it is to let people have another choice 4 to 5 years later, so that they can choose the worst evil. after all, the average IQ in society is simply average.

back to the question on work place. if workers have a vote, they'll vote for a pay rise and the company will soon go bankrupt.

the voting power rests with share holders and board members.